In this episode, Sarah and Louise discuss Chapter Four of “The Primal Wound” by Nancy Newton Verrier, and then they talk to John Frey, who was born in Vietnam and brought to the United States as part of Operation Babylift when he was a year-and-a-half old.  John often struggled with his identity, having been adopted and raised by a White American family while not having any connection to his birth country or culture.Here's our affiliate link for Buzzsprout: https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=1741800 When you sign up, you get a $20 Amazon Gift card.And if you want to support our show, you can go to our Patreon page here: https://yct.short.gy/auaRqTSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/themakingofmepodcast?fan_landing=true)