Gordon Burghardt studies comparative behavior and psychology in animals. We talk about the evolution of 'play', anthropomorphism and anthrodenialism, thrill-seeking behavior, embodied cognition, and what he learned from raising bears!"The Secret Social Lives of Reptiles" https://amzn.to/3xlCrFHhttps://eeb.utk.edu/people/gordon-burghardt/Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices