In this episode, I chat with therapist Charley Wininger.He's the author of the new book, Listening to Ecstasy: The Transformative Power of MDMA. Writing about the therapeutic benefits of psychedelic substances is pretty controversial, depending on where you live in the world. It's a topic that I'd like to write about, but I'm not quite there yet, so I was fascinated to hear from an author who's not afraid to write about something controversial.Charley started writing in his mid-60s. He's now 72, and it took him seven years to write the book. If you ever feel like you've missed your chance to write a book, take heart from his experiences. I ask Charley about the correlation between psychedelics, meditation and flow state, and the creative process. He also describes his writing process and how he got around some issues like writer's block.In this episode, we discuss:How Charley wrote his memoir Why the book took 6 years to writeAdvice given to Charley about writingThe comparison between meditation and psychedelicsCharley's memories of Andy KaufmanReactions to the bookStrategies for selling the book Resources:Charley WinigerCharley on InstagramCharley on YouTubeListening to Ecstasy: The Transformative Power of MDMA - Charley WinigerWaking Up - Sam HarrisSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/becomeawritertoday)