Joseph Gee is a good friend of mine and it was a lot fun to have this chat with him. Joe is a great husband, father, saddle maker, fly fisherman, packer, mule enthusiast and all around good guy! Tune in as I talk with Joe about his journey with mules, overcoming fear and coming back from a traumatic injury, saddle making, saddle fit and more! www.tsmules.com www.josephgeesaddlery.com