Special guest Ron Rigler, who engineered the first four Primus studio releases, joins us to talk about the making of Sailing The Seas Of Cheese, the Primus major label debut. He dishes on the challenges of making the record, how he helped the band achieve its vision, and gives us long-sought information on topics such as:-the fable 13 minute version of Los Bastardos-working with Tom Waits-Tracks left off the recordThis one's big, guys! Even Frankie learned some new information! Enjoy!@primustracks on Instagram and Twitter.