This week Dave and Sacheen are joined by current BRFC rugby player Kaleb Herd, aka Cookie. Sacheen's quest to find the reason sport affects us so deeply may be answered in this conversation. Cookie's desire to better himself for the good of the collective and his thoughts on what rugby means to him are truly inspirational. To say this conversation touched us, is an understatement. Listen in as Cookie discusses his opportunity with the New England Independents, six degrees of Tim O.C. and a Star Wars first fifteen.