For Episode 4 of the new podcast, our senior editor Lucy Bourton sits down with Italian illustrator and artist Olimpia Zagnoli, and discusses the power of vulnerability and the importance of pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. We also hear about how Olimpia tackles research and where she goes searching for inspiration and new references. After that, we head over to West London to hear how a bustling cafe helps comic illustrator Lily Kong come up with her best ideas. To hear a longer version of our interview with Olimpia, sign up to Extra Nice.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.