Exchange-traded funds have upended investing, so how does the Securities and Exchange Commission feel about them? Eric and Joel, along with Nathan Dean of Bloomberg Intelligence, interview SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce about the recent environment, passive investing, ownership trends, the ETF Rule, exotic products, ESG, Bitcoin, and more. They also discuss what she hopes to accomplish before her term ends and the contribution ETFs have made to investing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.