“I'm a huge fan of progress, not perfection. Small steps lead to transformation more often than large steps.” David Kopp has not only experienced this personally as an effective approach to positive behavior change, but as former CEO of Healthline Media, he knows the scientific literature supports it as well. Kopp refers to the key factors in achieving wellness as MENDS: mindfulness, exercise, nature, diet, and sleep. “If you can create new routines around those things, it will really make a difference.” Because diet is such an important driver in many chronic conditions, Kopp says it deserves much more attention from the healthcare system, but knows that’s an uphill battle. “You have to spend a lot of time to understand a patient's diet and nutrition, and our whole system is based on ‘you've got 11 minutes to spend with patients.’ Check out this episode of Raise the Line as Kopp joins host Rishi Desai to discusses other structural impediments to better health, the evolving acceptance of plant-based diets, and the role passion and purpose can play in creating resilience to get challenging work done.