Artists and filmmakers Peggy Ahwesh and Adam Khalil in conversation.  Peggy Ahwesh is an American experimental filmmaker and video artist. She has produced a range of work since the 1980s challenging traditional forms of film and video, and investigating cultural identity and the role of the subject. Ahwesh's work has been the subject of several museum retrospectives and is screened worldwide, including at e-flux in 2015 as part of Corruption: Everybody Knows… curated by Natasha Ginwala. She has been a professor of Film & Electronic Arts at Bard College since 1990. More information: Vimeo / EAI catalogue / overview of work by John David Rhodes (2003) Adam Shingwak Khalil (Ojibway) is a filmmaker and artist. His practice attempts to subvert traditional forms of ethnography through humor, relation, and transgression. Adam Khalil and Zack Khalil’s film INAATE/SE/ [it shines a certain way. to a certain place/it flies. falls./] (2016) re-imagines an ancient Ojibway story, the Seven Fires Prophecy, which both predates and predicts first contact with Europeans. It was shown at e-flux on Wednesday, September 21, 2016. A trailer for the feature film co-directed with Bayley James Sweitzer Empty Metal will be out soon. More information: INAATE/SE/ [it shines a certain way. to a certain place./it flies. falls./] / The Violence of a Civilization without Secrets co-directed with Zack Khalil and Jackson Polys