I'm extremely excited about this episode of The Kayak Nerds! Alan Cammack and I interview our good friend Tommy Gram.  Tommy played a large part in my growth as a paddler, from teaching my Swiftwater class and kayak instructor course this last year to introducing me to the sport way back in 2016! Check out this episode for some serious but not so serious talk on river accidents, safety, and review. Tommy teaches both whitewater kayaking and backcountry skiing courses. I find his vast experiences fascinating and excellent to learn from. He co-owns Buena Vista Mountain Adventures and has a whitewater kayaking business called Whitewater Attainment.