Happy Veterans Day! On episode 5 of Out & About, Pat and Kate speak with Patrick J Murphy, former Under Secretary of the United States Army and the man responsible for spearheading the repeal of Don't Ask Don't tell. Patrick explains why he felt compelled to work towards ending the policy, the process involved in doing so, and the obstacles he faced along the way. He also shares some deeply personal stories from both himself and service members impacted by Don't Ask Don't Tell!!