The other week "Hal Lucious Nation" and I recorded this conversation for inclusion in my new book, "Facilitating 5-MeO-DMT: An Anthology of Approaches to Serving The God Molecule." The transcription of the conversation comes as an appendix in the book, and the first chapter in the book after my Editor's Introduction is a more direct account of how the Temple of Awakening Divinity, "TOAD," operates. Here, Hal shares how he was first introduced to 5-MeO-DMT, how he got started with TOAD in late 2007, and how he and I established our personal relationship and dynamic of 5-MeO enthusiasts from different sides of being public versus private. Intimate, illuminating, and fascinating, this conversation is sure to keep your attention.