On this first episode of Ones and Tooze, Cameron Abadi and Adam Tooze discuss two stratospheric numbers: 28.5 trillion and 3.3 billion. One refers in dollars to the U.S. debt ceiling and the other corresponds to the number of people furloughed around the world during the pandemic.Save 15% on FP subscriptions. Visit https://foreignpolicy.com/subscribe/ and enter code TOOZE at checkout to claim this offer. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.