Zach chats with Wright Thompson, author of the newly-released "Pappyland," about the story of Julian Van Winkle's attempts to revive his family's legacy and whiskey, and how tragedy and loss suffuse the history of the brand. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to podcast@vinepair.com. Thanks for listening, and be well. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.