All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series "Look, you wanna be elite? You have to do a righteous hack." This entire episode we pay tribute to the movie "Hackers" with quotes all throughout the programming. This episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series, and my guest co-host Roland Cloutier (@CSORoland), CISO, TikTok. Joining us in this discussion is Steve Tran (@steveishacking), CISO, MGM Studios. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, Code42 In this episode: Is it time to start thinking about protecting data differently? What is the biggest scam in tech that is deemed acceptable? Why is the convergence of security between physical and digital still not happening? Which part of your role is science vs art?