All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series. This week’s episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), operating partner, YL Ventures.  Joining me is our guest this week, Mike Kelley, CISO, EW Scrips. In this episode: Why do a lot of security professionals feel unheard? Does this frustration lead to some turning into scolds during a security incident, quick to say "I told you so"? How do you manage these security pros when they don't feel heard, both before and during a crisis? Thanks to our podcast sponsors, Praetorian Praetorian helps companies adopt a prevention-first cybersecurity strategy by actively uncovering vulnerabilities and minimizing potential weaknesses before attackers can exploit them.