Bill D’Alessandro (@BillDA) and Mills Snell (@thegeneralmills) are joined by Kevin Lawrence and Brad Giles to talk about the Scaling Up methodology. We talk about:What is Scaling up? What business is it useful for? Scaling Up vs. EOS, What is the role of a CEO? How to hire a CEO?-----Thanks to our sponsors!* CloudBookkeeping offers adaptable solutions to businesses that want to focus on growth with a “client service first” approach. They offer a full suite of accounting services, including sophisticated reporting, QuickBooks software solutions, and full-service payroll options.-----* Do you love Acquanon and want to see our smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel.* Do you enjoy our content? Rate our show!* Follow us on Twitter @acquanon Learnings about small business acquisitions and operations.-----Show Notes:2:25 - Brad Giles & Kevin Lawrence Introduction3:48 - What is Scaling Up?6:18 - What business would benefit from the Scaling Up Framework?10:00 - What kind of home-baked systems have you seen?12:07 - The four decisions in Scaling-Up 14:25 - What are the pain points for an entrepreneur that makes a Business Owner search for an applicable system?19:25 - What is the secret weapon of Scaling Up?27:53 - What are predictable issues of Scaling?33:24 - How do I know if I’m not scaling?38:00 - The problem with autocratic leadership42:22 - How do you hire a CEO?-----Links:* Brad & Kevin’s Podcast ‘The Growth Whisperers’* Kevin's book Your oxygen mask first - The importance of CEOs* Made to Thrive - The five roles of a CEO* https://lawrenceandco.com/ * https://evolutionpartners.com.au/ -----Past guests on Acquanon include Nick Huber, Brent Beshore, Aaron Rubin, Mike Botkin, Ari Ozick, Mitchell Baldridge, Xavier Helgelsen, Mike Loftus, Steve Divitkos, Dzmitry Miranovich, Morgan Tate and more.-----Additional episodes you might enjoy:#90 Move over Elon - Here's what we'd do if we acquired Twitter#87 Yelp is not evil! Building a business using digital CAC - Featuring Johnny Robinson from Orange Window Cleaning#86 Rocketship your business with... Twitter?! - JK Molina gives a Twitter Masterclass Additional episodes you might enjoy:#79 What do Investors want? - Dig into an investor’s mind with Bradford Hardin#75 SBA Loan Secrets with Heather Endresen, expertise from a Billion-Dollar Loaner