Kia Ora Whanau. No longer Lockdown Larrys, but Level 2 Larrys, Eugene and Matt remain FOILED by Matt’s sore throat in their quest to podcast in the same room, let alone suburb. But if you had to do it remotely, you couldn’t find a more engaging fellow than two-time Australian Mountain Running Champion Ben Duffus. This conversation goes all over the place from race walking to quantum physics, climate change to Kawerau. Ben discusses his start in the sport, his love of the King of The Mountain race in said Kawerau, coaching, data, why not to burn down cell phone towers, and we ponder if we can all go inside for COVID, how is climate change so hard? We’ve also got TWO greatest runs ever (one from our youngest ever contributor), we implore people not to be a racist on Stuff You Should Know (seems funny to have to say it out loud but here we are) and we also get to report on a real live WORLD RECORD! All this and more on a freewheeling DCR. Enjoy.