In this special episode of the New Statesman podcast, in association with Smart Energy GB, Anoosh Chakelian and guest co-host Philippa Nuttall discuss how we can improve our homes and workplaces to reduce our dependence on energy They are joined by Adrian Joyce, from the European Alliance of Companies for Energy Efficiency in Buildings and the Renovate Europe campaign and Iagan MacNeil, from Smart Energy GB, to talk about the challenges of upgrading old stock, how to deal with the private rental sector, and how to find the right incentives and funding to make change happen. Smart Energy GB is the not-for-profit, government-backed campaign helping everyone in Britain understand the importance of smart meters and their benefits to people and the environment. Their national campaign is reaching homes and small businesses across England, Scotland and Wales. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.