In this special episode of the New Statesman podcast, in association with Smart Energy GB, Stephen Bush and guest co-host Philippa Nuttall discuss how to convince people to change their behaviour to reduce emissions.They are joined by Ruth Mourik, the founder of Research for Benefit organisation Duneworks, and Rob Cheesewright, from Smart Energy GB, to talk about the challenges of getting people on board, which countries are doing it well and why we need to stop talking about carbon.Smart Energy GB is the not-for-profit, government-backed campaign helping everyone in Britain understand the importance of smart meters and their benefits to people and the environment. Their national campaign is reaching homes and small businesses across England, Scotland and Wales. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.