This week, we’re in conversation with author, voting rights activist, and gubernatorial candidate for the state of Georgia: Stacey Abrams. To begin, we talk about the systemic challenges that small business owners face (5:32), the impact of Georgia’s new voting laws (10:20), the threat of election subversion (13:02), what a functional democracy could look like (15:48), the lessons learned from her 2018 bid for governor (18:31), and how she plans to win in 2022 (23:23). 

On the back half, Abrams reflects on growing up in the south (28:50), her earliest political ambitions (34:10), and how literature has offered a human complexity not always granted to people in politics (39:18), especially Black women in positions of power (41:17). As we leave, Stacey shares a personal story about her first visit to the governor’s mansion (45:05), the need to move past tribalism (49:42), and why she still wants to be in this fight in 2022 and beyond (51:55).
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