In this episode, Katherine May talks to Penny Wincer - photographer, activist and author of Tender: The Imperfect Art of Caring - about the wintering seasons in her life.Penny discusses her time as a young carer for her mother, who suffered from depression and anxiety, and her current role as carer for her autistic son, Arthur. While she never stops advocating for the needs of carers, Penny also draws out the pleasure and intimacy of fulfilling this role, and makes a compelling case for caring as an act of love.TW: this episode contains a mention of suicide. This episode is recorded down a phone line, so apologies for occasional glitches in sound. Tender is published on 11th June 2020. Penny's Instagram: @pennywincerKatherine May's links:Instagram: @katherinemay_Twitter: @katherinemay_ Subscribe to Katherine's newsletterWintering is out now in the UK, and publishes in the US in December. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.