I met Frank Grillo through my good friend Bryan Callen. I had been a fan of his for many years from his movies. I could tell he was a real athlete from the way he threw punches in his films, I knew he was a real boxer, but what I didn't know was how deep and thoughtful Frank was as a dad and as a human.   In this talk, we discuss Bryan Callen the fighter, very briefly ?-  we spend most of the time talking about what we're all dealing with now, the pandemic/lockdown.  Frank had some really interesting thoughts. We both share a love and passion for the Sweet Science: Boxing and we did manage to talk about it as well.   You're going to dig this call with Frank Grillo. Video version in Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/414112336