In this episode Amisha meets complex systems designer, social entrepreneur and educator Phoebe Tickell. Together they explore what it means to bridge several different ‘worlds’ in your work, facing the paralysis that can come when faced with complex crises, and how to connect with our ‘soul work’. Phoebe speaks about the pressure on individuals to hold the responsibility for planetary change, and why the focus must return urgently to changing systems.  Together Amisha and Phoebe discuss the origins of the myths and stories that we dwell in, the way that they shape our actions and reactions, and what happens when we step outside of them.