Joshua and Ryan discuss fame, notoriety, the difference between being famous and being well-known, and the upsides and downsides of stardom with actor, writer, and director Jennette McCurdy, and they answer the following questions: Why do we seem to get more satisfaction from celebrities losing fame than gaining it? (03:13) What can we do about celebrities that use their fame to spread ill will? (17:46) Will the general public ever finally realize that fame is hollow? (30:01)  Detailed show notes: minimalists.com/podcast Support The Minimalists: minimalists.com/support