Deb and Maria discuss the "Yanny vs. Laurel" debate and it's relation to speech science and perception. We drank Chateau Canteloup 2001 a Red Bordeaux and ate goat cheese (we get very French in this episode). Deborah didn't taste the acidity in the wine because of her lack of perception of tastes. "View every session like goat cheese", Deborah and Maria discussed evidence based therapy approaches targetting phonology, articulation and literacy. They explained the importance of a multi-modality approach in teaching clients phonology, articulation and appropriate motor speech patterns.Also, Maria needs to stop perceiving the need to be right all the time.