Steven is a long time listener of both my previous podcast Seoul Survivors and the Conspiracy Skeptic. He emailed me about this The Family organization many months before the story broke in podcast land. I wanted to have him on for a chat between two regular Joes about The Family, whether it's an example of a real conspiracy, and the implications. If you don't know much about The Family, I'd suggest first checking out D.J. Grothe's interview with the author himself before tackling my podcast.