How do we reconcile the opposing ideas of working hard vs flow states? Get ready to have your mind blown. In this jam-packed interview, peak performance and leadership pioneer Jamie Wheal debates with Vishen and reveals the problem with our modern "ordinary" state of consciousness, how the key to humanity's evolution lies in turning the dial to a completely new state of consciousness altogether. The insights dropped here will make you question everything you thought to be true. VIsit: podcast.mindvalley.com