Amen and Jesus' Revelation

By Nicholas P. Ginex

This book supplements the historical novel titled Future of God Amen; it reveals how man first conceived one- universal God. Within this novel the author provides his personal thoughts about the Egyptian God Amen and his influence on the development of the Judaic, Christian and Islamic religions.

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The Ankh, Symbol of Truth

Nicholas P. Ginex

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Amen and Jesus’ Revelation

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Acknowledgments

This book could not have been written without

the many written comments and responses from

members of two respected Internet Forums:

www.gather.com and www.theologyyweb.com.

I am deeply grateful and honored that members

of these forums have responded to my posts and

confided their personal views with honesty.

The written dialogs between this author and

members of the two forums are assembled in

this book to provide personal interchanges

about their religious beliefs and present many

questions and answers that may increase the

religious perspectives of all of us.

As the author of the historical novel, Future of

God Amen, this book allows readers to learn

about my views and personal beliefs that could

not have been written in such a book that must

only deal with facts and verified findings. But

also, the reader has an opportunity to reflect on

the views of believers in God, agnostics, and

atheists.

Foreword

As the author of the historical novel Future of God Amen, this book provides conversations and opinions that could not be included. History requires an objective analysis based upon facts and findings, which requires personal thoughts and opinions to be omitted. Religion is very personal for many people and is a sacrosanct subject that many do not question due to their deep-seated beliefs.

Future of God Amen presented the historical development of how mankind conceived one universal God by revealing facts and applying logical deductions and assertions based upon them. It would have been highly inappropriate to provide opinions or points of view that may discredit the beliefs of the religions discussed. For this reason, this book has been written to present the beliefs by members of two Internet forums and this author’s responses. Such comments and responses allowed for an exchange of ideas and religious points of view between skeptics and devout believers of God.

The responses given by this author provides an understanding of his beliefs and hopes for the future. His scope of thought transcends theological dogma and looks to the future aspects of morality and a unity of religious beliefs that allows beings to advance to the next stage of their spiritual development.

Too few people have been exposed to the history of our religious past, and only by having a true understanding of how our beliefs in God originated can we proceed on a path of knowledge about God and our purpose in life. To begin this book, it is fitting to provide an extract from Future of God Amen. It reveals truth is not static, but must change based upon continued experiences and acquired knowledge.

Presented are the views and opinions of the members of two different forums: one is gather.com and the other is theologyweb.com. You have the benefit of reading stimulating and mind-awaking conversations by people who are deeply religious and knowledgeable of scripture. It is instructive to read how they supported their beliefs; some had well-founded reasons based upon scripture, while others resorted to circular reasoning and defensive comments.

It should be of interest to observe how the author supports his assertions and conclusions, many of which were presented in Future of God Amen. It will become obvious that religious views are not easily changed, which is one of the reasons why this book is written. Only by airing our religious views can a better understanding of what we believe and why we believe can be appreciated. It allows for the next phase of spiritual development in mankind based upon truth. By exchanging points of view, the truth will begin to surface, if not today certainly in the future so that people around the world can have a better understanding of their belief in God.

It is the author’s hope that by discussing our religious views freely and honestly, we can someday not only agree to disagree, but come to a clearer understanding that we all pray to the same God. Such an understanding will precipitate a movement whereby people from the major religions will put pressure to bear on their religious leaders to unify their beliefs in God.

Unity in the belief of God is a challenge for the future. We are still in an infant stage in the understanding of God and our purpose as creatures of God. There is no doubt that to break the chains of dogma that restrict religious leaders to have an open mind and provide the mandate of their profession, which is to teach us to love one another, they will need the assistance of perceptive and loving daughters and sons of God.

Contents

Acknowledgments

Foreword

A Father Seeks to Reveal Truths to All

What Does Amen Mean?

Jesus’ Revelation of Amen

Epilogue

Author Bio

A Father Seeks to Reveal Truths to All

From Future of God Amen, Pages 19-21

It would be derelict of this father not to reveal the truths learned by extensive reading and research; and by the exchange of ideas with the many people that have entered my life. Truth can be elusive and may take many years to comprehend based upon real life experiences. This author has been fortunate to have come upon truths by accident, and in many cases, by simply connecting the dots through the application of commonsense. It would be a foolish gamble to wait for somebody else to present the findings acquired in my lifetime. Our lives are made up of too many different events that shape our thoughts. Be they on an educational, social, and personal level, these events combined with our intellect and sensitivity will always present a different color of the way each of us see, interpret life, and develop our thoughts for others to hear or read.

This father feels a deep responsibility to educate and prepare his children for the world they live in. They were the initial motivation to write this book. As a father who desired to inform his children of the traps and deceptive ideas propagated around us, he felt obligated to share thoughts that may enable others to get closer to the truths that he has earnestly tried to surface. It is the author’s nature to be grossly offended when he or others have been made a fool of by means of lies and deceptive ramblings. However much it hurts, he prefers to always know the truth. He will not knowingly stand by and let his children made to be fools. This author writes for all those who have the courage to examine new avenues of thought. They will benefit by getting to know their own God, and be less likely to end their spiritual quest in disillusion and separation from God[1].

The spiritual quest this author alludes to may simply be love for mankind. However you may conceive your God, you may be assured that He would rather have you love the people around you than to focus your love on Him. My responsibility as a father is to educate and prepare my daughters to make their own way in life.

They need not bow down, prostrate themselves in a submissive manner, and humble themselves as if their father was a God. They need only to respect me for the love and precious time invested to help direct their lives, develop their potential, and become strong individuals who can stand on their own two feet. God may be present, but He cannot do what a father and mother can do for them. That is, to have them carry on the legacy of raising wonderful children in this world.

As mere mortals, we may never be able to know the whole truth about God. We have had our share of prophets and righteous men, who endeavored to show their fellow beings how they can lead moral lives. We shall see in the forthcoming chapters that some have made mistakes in their zeal to impart knowledge about God. We should not fault them for trying to have us inherit a belief and way of life received through their revelations. Only by consistently trying to seek the truth, will we be able to have a clearer understanding of the lives we lead and, a more positive and healthy outlook for the future.

Many of us have some doubts about the existence of God. Others find themselves with a desire to believe in God, but unable to accept many religious teachings and traditional mores. There are others who feel that the concept of God is simply another form of philosophy that tries to find answers to questions of morality and the possibility of an eternal life. Then there are those who do not want to deal with the concept of God at all. They may follow the rule that is most equivalent to, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.[2] Stated more simply, It’s nice to be nice.[3]

This book is not written to deceive my children and my readers. You will find that every conclusion and assertion made has been grounded in facts and references that have come from reliable sources. This author will not waste time on gobbledegook to prove a point. It is love for the truth that gives him the stamina to share his research efforts with you. There is no other agenda in this book than to open your eyes, widen your perceptions, and bring you closer to understanding yourselves and the God in which you believe.

What Does Amen Mean?

Gather Post by Nicholas P. Ginex,

November 18, 2010

Many Jews, Christians, Muslims, agnostics, and atheists are unaware of the true meaning of amen. Most people believe that amen means so be it. The Hebrew definition of amen has more specific connotations meaning truth, firmness, verily, and true. New findings by Egyptologists over the past 100 years reveal that Amen was an Egyptian God for over 750 years before Moses’s Exodus and more than two thousand years before the birth of Jesus Christ.

Egyptologists have been able to decipher hieroglyphics carved into temple walls, pyramids, and tombs that brings new knowledge to the God Amen. As many as thirteen pharaohs used Amen or Amon in their throne names as far back as 2,000 BCE. The Hebrew definition of Amen upholds the most revered attribute of the Egyptian God, which is truth. More importantly, in the Bible, Revelation 3:13, 14, Jesus Christ proclaimed Amen is:

"the faithful and true witness,

the beginning of the creation of God."

Should we believe the words of Jesus Christ that Amen is, the beginning of the creation of God, or Judaic and Christian religious leaders who teach Amen means so be it? This is a highly significant question because worshippers of these religions announce amen at the end of a prayer, supplication, giving thanks and praise, and singing amen. Could it be that God first introduced Himself to the Egyptians as Amen? The Egyptian priesthood were first to develop the concept of a soul, an eternal hereafter upon living a life of truth and righteousness, a belief in God, and a Son of God. Can it be that Revelation provides a key for religious leaders to acknowledge Amen as the common bond for them to work together to unify their beliefs and teach the Word of God—love one another? These three questions are very relevant today with much division between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Your comments and answers to these three questions may be very useful to assist the religious leaders to work together.

Place an Internet search on Future of God Amen to view press releases and the author’s website where he appeals to the daughters and sons of God who are endowed with love for humanity to assist perceptive and courageous religious leaders to work together to unify their beliefs.

Comments and Responses

Larry M’s Comment, November 19, 2010

Interesting speculations. From the point of view of a living language, the word means whatever people take it to mean. But following the changes in meaning over time of a word is quite interesting.

Ginex’s Response, November 19, 2010

Thank you, Larry.

I agree with you that the meaning of amen as one of the greatest Egyptian Gods for over two thousand years before Jesus Christ has been lost. This loss was mostly due to the inability of the Egyptians and Hebrews to decipher the hieroglyphics carved into temples and monuments. But then, the name Amen is specifically prohibited from being announced in Muslim communities as told to me by Greek orthodox religious leaders. However, we need not fault the Muslims. Jews and Christians interpretation of amen as not being related to a God but to admission of truth, such as, so be it.

Many interpretations by Christian religious leaders have claimed that Jesus Christ was referring to himself as the beginning of the creation of God. But this is foolish because God existed in the beginning before there was any need for a Son of God to teach mankind to love one another. Also, if Jesus is coequal to God as defined by the Trinity, then he was not created but existed with God from the beginning and therefore Jesus could not be Amen, which is truly a separate entity created by the spiritual nature of man.

It is no accident that Amen continues to be announced in temples and churches. Mosques are exempted because the Muslims regard Amen as a false God. Yet, the Priesthood of Amon, before the Moses’s Exodus, wrote scripture that proclaimed Amen as the one universal God of all creation. The Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religious leaders will fight to preserve their traditions, dogma, and scriptures by denying that Amen was the greatest Egyptian God. They further deny that many of their beliefs originated from the Egyptian religion. But, we need to accept that people indoctrinated into a particular belief will resist new information that threatens their way of life. Hey, what is wrong in admitting the truth and advancing on a new path of unification of three major religions, instead of causing continued divisions and eventually, the killing of innocent people?

Peace. Truth hurts, but knowledge allows us to grow into better human beings—if we are open minded enough to accept the most wonderful legacy given to man, the belief in God.

Gary G’s Comment, November 19, 2010

To answer the bigger question now. Jesus said, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end (Rv 22:13).

The scripture you are referencing is a characteristic of God, not a title. There is nowhere else in scripture to support the claim you have made to support that amen is a god. To base a truth on one scripture and make a claim that it represents that a biblical theology is heretical. You wrote. But this is foolish because God existed before there was any need for a Son of God to teach mankind to love one another.

You are foolish. For the word of the cross (Jesus the Son of God) is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1 Cor 1:18).

Jesus is not the highest authority, God the Father is. Even Jesus spoke of the Father as greater than Himself (John 12:49).

Amen is a myth.

Ginex’s Response, November 20, 2010

Thank you, Gary.

You are starting to fly out of the cage that has trapped your ability to think for yourself. God the Father is the highest authority and He alone created His Son, Jesus, when it was necessary to instruct mankind of the Word of God—love one another. God’s command was stated three times in the Gospel of John; the last set of commands given by Jesus.

To believe the Son of God existed at the same time that God created the universe is really a sign of immaturity and a lack of logical thinking.

Gary G’s Comment, November 19, 2010

The definition of Amen:

A.   Amen in the Old Testament and Judaism. The Old Testament uses the term in relation to both individuals and the community 1. To confirm the acceptance of tasks whose performance depends on God’s will (1 Kgs 1:36). 2. To confirm the application of divine threats or curses (Nm 5:22), and 3. To attest the praise of God in response to doxology (1 Chr 16:36). In every case, acknowledgment of what is valid or binding is implied. In Judaism, amen is widely used, e.g., in response to praises, to the Aaronic blessing of Numbers 6:24ff, to vows, and to prayers. It denotes concurrence or in the case of a vow commitment or at the end of one’s own prayer in the hope for its fulfillment. The LXX mostly renders the Hebrew term by génoito, which retains the idea of validity but weakens that of commitment to a claim.

B.   Amen in the New Testament and Early Christianity. The New Testament mostly takes over the Hebrew as it stands and uses it in three ways.

1. As an acclamation in worship, it signifies response (Rv 5:14; cf. Justin Apology 65.3; Did. 10.6).

2. At the conclusion of prayers and doxologies (e.g., Gal 1:5; Eph 3:21; 1 Tim 1:17; 1 Clem. 20.12 for doxologies, 1 Clem. 45.8; Mart. Pol. 14.3 for prayers), it expresses the priority of prayer and doxology. Along the same lines it can occur at the end of a prophecy (Rv 1:7) or book (Gal 6:18; Rv 22:20). It can also be put at the beginning of a doxology, especially where a transition is made (Rv 19:4). In Revelation 1:7, it is set close to the divine yes, but Revelation 22:20 shows that it is the church’s answer to the divine yes, which is here the basis of the eschatological petition. The sense in 2 Corinthians 1:20 is the same, for God’s yes in Christ is the firm foundation for the amen of the community. Christ himself as the true witness can be called the amen in his own response to the divine yes that is declared in him (Rv 3:14).

3. When Jesus places amen before his own sayings, both in the Synoptics and (liturgically doubled) in John, the point is to stress the truth and validity of the sayings by his own acknowledgment of them. The sayings vary in content, but all relate to the history of the kingdom of God as this is bound up with his own person so that in the amen we have all Christology in a nutshell. Acknowledging his word, Jesus affirms it in his life, and thus makes it a claim on others.

Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, and Geoffrey William Bromiley, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans, 1995), 53-54.

Ginex’s Response, November 20, 2010

Dear Gary,

Some of your references claim that Amen is Jesus Christ. This is foolish for many reasons.

One reason is that all priests of the Christian faith have taught that amen means so be it. But now you appear to disagree with them because you want people to believe Jesus Christ was referring to himself as being Amen. This is very disingenuous and dishonest.

The other reason why Jesus could not be Amen the beginning of the creation of God is because God did not need or have a Son when He first created the universe—only after He created mankind. So it is somewhat juvenile to believe God and a Son of God existed at the very beginning of time. This is called polytheism.

Face the truth. Amen was an Egyptian God for over 2,000 years before Jesus Christ. This is a substantiated fact and not a biblical revelation. Jesus was schooled by Jewish masters in religion who knew this fact, and Jesus was honest to share this in Revelation 3:13 and 14. He clearly stated that Amen is

the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

You are a man of faith who has been so entrenched in the Bible and Christian dogma that you fail to appreciate what Jesus is saying to all those that hath an ear. There is no harm in admitting that God introduced Himself first to the Egyptian people as Amen; the first one universal God. Jesus was saying in Revelation that you must recognize that Amen is the common bond of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions. Only when the religious leaders of these religions perceive the words of Jesus will there be a breakthrough for peace, unity, and love between all peoples.

The above reasons are based upon fact and most importantly, commonsense. I do not appreciate when a religious person blindly follows his or her faith without using their mind to discern truth, but instead ramble on with meaningless words. Why can’t you believe in the words of Jesus Christ? He is the highest authority, not the references you depict out of the Bible.

Notice how I write with clarity while you present a lot of jumble. I have presented facts from a civilization that existed and a priesthood that wrote scripture "Amon As the Sole God." Facts are more believable than revelations by righteous men.

Gary G’s Comment, November 20, 2010

Nicholas,

You are taking this scripture way out of context and saying things I did not say. For clarity, scripture teaches that amen is yes and so be it. As is truly, truly. Again, Jesus’s reference to the amen in the scripture you are quoting merely states His approval for a statement.

You wrote. Jesus was saying in Revelation that you must recognize that amen is the common bond of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions.

Scripture does not teach this. You are spreading a false belief and are a heretic. Jesus is the authority and the Bible is His Word given by the Father. Jesus is the Word.

Jesus said, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (Rv 22:13)

Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Amon is not god.

Ginex’s response, November 20, 2010

Dear Gary,

Life consists of changes where we learn from the past but keep improving our belief in God. The scriptures as they now exist are not perfect. We have seen the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic faiths have scriptures that have caused much hate, violence, and the death of many, many innocent human beings. This is because people, like you, are insistent that they have the only true God. Tell your beliefs to a Muslim, and my dear man, you might be beheaded. But this is similar to what the Christians have done by burning heretics at the stake. How nice. These religious people are so loving.

You must understand, Gary, that I am not introducing a new religion. I am simply bringing knowledge to many people today that do not know the history of ancient Egypt and are ignorant of the fact that Egypt had a priesthood that existed for thousands of years. Many of the beliefs adopted by the Hebrews came from Egypt; Moses being the guiding light for Hebrews with many of the beliefs and moral codes he learned from the Egyptians. But of course, most Hebrews would not admit that and prefer to give Abraham the credit as being the founder of the Judaic religion in spite of the fact that he did nothing compared to what Moses did.

God came before Jesus because Jesus was His Son. If you believe God and a Son of God came into existence at the very beginning, that is, at the same time, you are a heretic because God had to come first. You are not only a heretic, but you make no sense. To create a Son, God had to exist first. This is pure logic. Think about it. Besides, a Son of God was not required until man was created, which was many, many years—maybe millions of years later.

Gary G’s Comment, November 20, 2010

This is where the line is drawn. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Jesus always existed. Jesus created everything. In fact you were created in Jesus’s image. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them (Gn 1:27).

John 1:1-3 states, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

Ginex’s Response, November 20, 2010

Dear Gary,

You are a strong believer in God. Tell me, is your God the same God worshipped by the Judaic and Islamic religions? Of course there can only be one God of creation. Even though worshippers of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions worship Him differently because of different customs and traditions, He has to be the same God. Would you agree?

The God I believe in is mysterious, unknowable, and incomprehensible to all His creations. To say He is in the image of man is a sign of arrogance and immaturity. Nobody, including you, knows God. He is a vision taught to you as learned from scripture—scripture that has many, many flaws because it was written by revelations of righteous men. The facts I shared about the existence of Amen are real and verified by Egyptologists. Amen was worshipped since the year 2000 BCE. It is no wonder he is still remembered in the minds of men in our temples, churches, and in some mosques.

Again, to make you do some original thinking of your own, why would God need a Son of God when He first created the universe? God had to come first before He would even create a Son. His Son was created so that mankind can receive His Word—love one another. The Word was delivered by Jesus from God many, many years after God created the universe. Even a little boy can understand that logic. To think God came into this world with a Son is foolish.

Gary G’s Comment, November 20, 2010

Nicholas,

It is clear we do not share the same belief in who God is. Jesus is God, always has been and will always be. Through Him all things were created as referenced in the numerous scriptures I have given you.

And I have to disagree with you firmly. I do know God. The Bible is very clear on having a relationship with the Father and with Jesus. I implore you to read the book of John. Jesus Himself said, This is eternal life that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ (John 17:3).

Also, Proverbs is very clear on leaning on your own understanding. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil. It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones (Pr 3:5-8).

Ginex’s Response, November 20, 2010

Gary,

It is very possible that it was the Spirit of God that caused me to write Future of God Amen. I believe in a God that created belief in Him by first introducing Himself to the Egyptian people as the one universal God Amen. He made it possible for the Hebrews to learn from the Egyptians many of the moral and ethical codes of conduct the Egyptian Priesthood developed.

Would you deny that God first introduced Himself first to the Egyptians whose priesthood wrote "Amon As the Sole God"? Who do you think you are to dismiss a people who worshipped Amen for over two thousand years before Jesus Christ was born? The Egyptians gave our religions of today the greatest legacy known to man—the belief in God. But you, my friend do not appear to agree.

Why is it that you cannot agree with facts presented and detailed for your intellectual growth in the book, Future of God Amen? You must be capable of learning if you’re open to new discoveries.

Gary G’s Comment, November 21, 2010

Yes, I deny that God introduced Himself as Amon. This is not true nor Biblical. God is Yahweh. I don’t agree with you because your claims are not Biblical.

Ginex’s Response, November 21, 2010

Gary, by you denying that God first came into the minds of men as Amen, you are denying a possibility that is based upon factual evidence. The Bible is a wonderful work conceived by man through revelations but is not verified by evidence. God is Amen, Yahweh, Jesus Christ, and Allah. One God is just as valid as the other. They all represent God. The difference is which one have you been taught about to believe in? I believe each of these Gods because they are worshipped by people. The difference in my belief is that they are the same God, but worshipped differently by different people from different countries.

Gary G’s Comment, November 21, 2010

Hi Nicholas,

I think we are at the end of our discussion since you simply do not recognize scripture as the Holy Word of God, the revelation of Jesus Christ, and is without error.

The account in Exodus states,

And God spoke all these words, saying, I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain (Ex 20:1-7).

Ginex’s Response, November 21, 2010

Thank you, Gary, for acknowledging that God is the Lord and creator of all there is. He alone created the universe without the help of a Son.

Gary G’s Comment, November 22, 2010

So you choose only parts of the Bible so as to make it agree with your theology? And no, Jesus (God) made all things as stated here in one of many accounts. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made (John 1:3).

Ginex’s Response, November 24, 2010

Hello Gary,

I have no theology, only the desire to inform God-loving people who, where, and when the concept of one universal God originated. Please read my response to Mr. Clarke towards the end of this post. There is factual evidence that Amen was conceived by the Egyptians as the one God who created all there is. If you insist on denying Amen as the first God to be worshipped by a very religious people for over two thousand years, and loudly proclaim Amen is a myth, then you might as well convince yourself that the God you worship is a myth.

You stated, All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness (2 Tm 3:16). You are correct, and the scripture written by the Egyptians, hymns that espoused beliefs in the one God Amen is also profitable for teaching. There is much for you to appreciate in the history of man’s development, and how man came to conceive God. That is all I am trying to inform you of.

John K’s Comment, November 22, 2010

Nicholas,

You wrote, The difference in my belief is that they are the same God but worshipped differently by different people from different countries.

That is not different from what anyone who believes in God believes. If there is only one God, then no one was really ever worshiping anything but Him. No matter what they thought they were worshiping, there was nothing to hear them, and respond, but Him (except perhaps Satan in some sense…).

And there is no indication in the book that He did not have relationship with people before Abraham (or Moses), and quite the contrary, the book speaks of many people walking with God. It is not at all troubling to me to think that some persons in Egypt, Asia, Europe, and all over the world met Him and communed with Him, and told others about those encounters. In fact, it would be somewhat troubling to think these things did not happen. He’s God, for goodness sake. He was God then, just as He is God now. Why on earth would He not relate to His children?

That other notions of gods sprang up, through the fickle imaginations of men, is what it is. None of those gods ever did anything, and that people did not grasp what was happening when they saw evidence of His activity and interactions is perfectly understandable, and it does nothing to undermine what the book tells us. There is no need to introduce the idea that the people we see in the book plagiarized belief in the only real God from anyone else. He’s God and could reveal Himself at any time to anyone at all.

Of course, those who lived before Moses and walked with God, would have met him before Moses did… So what? That does not logically render anything that anyone wrote about a God (or gods), trustworthy or informative of the actual being, and it does not render all notions that all people had or have of Him, valid or inspired by God Himself. If you want to believe or do some stuff you think some Egyptian hieroglyphs or other ancient records speak of or more modern things, have at, knock yourself out. It’s a free country (for now).

Ginex’s Response, November 24, 2010

Dear Mr. K,

You have provided a very perceptive comment, and I commend you for that. To admit that God has entered into the minds of men before Abraham and Moses is a breakthrough because you are willing to examine factual evidence that proves exactly that. However, it is not true that the God Amen never did anything. In a response to Mr. Clarke below, you will see that the ancient Egyptians believed that their God created all there is.

The proof that Amen was the first universal God does not undermine the Torah. However, there is positive evidence that the Hebrews did borrow much of their beliefs and some of their scripture from the Egyptians, which has been revealed by respectable Egyptologists, such as James H. Breasted.

If you wish to deny factual evidence, I can easily show plagiarism of Egyptian scripture has occurred by Hebrew priests. But this is not what we should be getting upset about. We should learn how our conception of God has advanced from its beginnings in ancient Egypt. We should not deny the gift the Egyptian priesthood has given to mankind; a belief in one universal God. Do not be so proud that you cannot admit that the Hebrews learned many of their beliefs about one God and an ample code of morality and ethics from the Egyptians. The trouble with Judaic, Christian, and Islamic believers is that they believe they have the only true God. But, lo and behold, that God first introduced Himself to the Egyptian people as Amen.

Jerry K’s Comment, November 23, 2010

The Bible is just another example of man’s attempt to reveal a relationship with a God, God, or god(s) . . . just an attempt… nothing more. IMnsHO.

Ginex’s Response, November 24, 2010

Hello Jerry.

You are correct that the Bible, and scripture before the Bible, is a way to reveal man’s belief in God. The trouble is that few people have the curiosity to learn how and where man first conceived the idea of one universal God? More importantly, people are ignorant of a wonderful history of a religious civilization that believed in Gods and advanced to one universal God many, many years before Abraham and Moses. This knowledge should not be pushed aside with the flippant comment, so what?

John K’s Comment, Nov 24, 2010

Nicholas,

You wrote, If you wish to deny factual evidence, I can easily show ‘plagiarism’ of Egyptian scripture has occurred by Hebrew priests.

That’s crazy talk. You cannot possibly prove that what is written in the book as from God did not come directly from God.

Ginex’s Response, November 24, 2010

Dear John,

It can easily be proven that the Hebrew priests plagiarized much of Egyptian scripture. I have several instances provided in Future of God Amen that were scrutinized by scholars of religion. It is not crazy talk, and you need to be open to new discoveries in life. All of what is in the Bible did not come directly from God because it would be an embarrassment to God for all the myths and distortions presented.

Gary G’s Comment, November 24, 2010

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber (2 Pt 2:1-3).

Ginex’s Response, November 24, 2010

Hello Gary.

Do you think I am a false prophet? Unfortunately, I have no reason to be one but only a teacher who is trying to inform you about the belief of Amen as a universal God in a long distant past. I am only providing information so that you may learn something in your life.

Norman C’s Comment, November 20, 2010

The word could have originated from the Coptic Church in Egypt, and borrowed from the ancient Egyptians—whose supreme god was Amon-Ra.

Ginex’s Response, November 20, 2010

Norman,

You are absolutely right. But, the ancient Egyptians existed before the Coptic Church. You mean the Coptic Church borrowed the name Amen from the Egyptians. The Egyptian priesthood wrote scripture, "Amon As the Sole God" before the Moses’s Exodus. This universal God was so popular for over two thousand years, that his name Amen (is the same as Amon) existed in the minds of men even as the new monotheistic religions gave birth.

Norman C’s Comment, November 20, 2010

That’s what I was trying to convey, Nicholas. Sorry that I wasn’t clear enough.

J J Myles’s Comment, November 20, 2010

Amon (Amen, Amun, Ammon, and Amoun)

Symbols: ram, goose, and bull

Cult Center: Thebes and Hermopolis

The god of Thebes, he was shown as human. He was viewed (along with his consort Amaunet) in Hermopolis as a primordial creation deity. Up to the time of the twelfth dynasty, Amon was a Theban god of no more than local importance, but as soon as the princes of Thebes had conquered their rival claimants to rule Egypt, and had succeeded in making their city a new capital of the country, their god Amon became a prominent god