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DOJ National Security Boss Is Moving On — But Cyber, China Threats Aren't

John Demers looks back on his latest stretch in the Justice Department in an exclusive interview with NPR. Cyber threats from Russia and China will remain a big problem, he warns.

When John Demers came in to lead the Justice Department's national security division, the United States was grappling with the fallout from Russia's cyberattack on the 2016 election.

Now, as he and the Trump administration prepare to leave office, the U.S. is dealing with another massive hack that American officials have again pinned on Moscow.

"Well, there is a certain symmetry to all of this," Demers said in an interview with NPR as his time at the Justice Department draws to a close.

Those bookends illustrate how the threats the U.S. is facing have shifted since his last stint at the department, during the George W. Bush administration.

"A big difference in my time here, the first time and the second time, is the

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