In this wide-ranging and informal conversation*, Rafael Behr chats to former colleague Helen Lewis about whether Whatsapp has changed the way politics is conducted, her favourite Tik Tok channel, the incestous nature of Scottish politics, what's really behind the UK government's immigration policy, what we can learn from Florida culture wars, why the middle ground is so hard to occupy, what we have learnt from the pandemic, and Helen's take on why so many men love listening to other men on podcasts, plus much more. *unstructuredHelen LewisHelen writes about the intersection of politics, society, and digital culture for The Atlantic.Link to Helen’s long read on DeSantis, Trump and the future of American politicsfor The AtlanticShe is also the host of the BBC’s long-form interview series, The Spark. Her next book, The Selfish Genius, is scheduled for publication in 2023. Link to ‘The Bluestocking,’ Helen’s substack page. Rafael Behr has a book out very soon about politics If you're interested here's a link to pre-order:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Politics-Survivors-Engaged-without-Getting/dp/1838955046/Now on with the podcast show we call Politics on the Couch.This podcast is hosted by ZenCast.fm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.