Bronwen Maddox is joined this week by journalist Oz Katerji and Phillips P. O’Brien, a Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St Andrews. Joining them both in the studio is Ukrainian journalist Olga Tokariuk, the OSUN Academy Fellow in the Ukraine Forum at Chatham House. Read our latest: The US aid package to Ukraine will help. But a better strategy is urgently needed As yet another UN Libya envoy quits, his successor must be bolder The Baltic Sea is far from a ‘NATO lake’ – the alliance must strengthen its defences Presented by Bronwen Maddox. Produced by John Pollock. Take part in The World Today's Reader Survey✏️ Listen to The Climate Briefing podcast ?  Listen to Africa Aware podcast ? Subscribe to Independent Thinking wherever you find your podcasts - please listen, review and subscribe.