“Death is not a medical experience. It’s a human one.” That is a quote from Suzanne O’Brien, my guest for this Grief Refuge podcast episode. If you haven’t met Suzanne O’Brien, you’ll be glad you listened to this podcast episode. Suzanne is the Founder of Doulagivers, an organization that trains people who care for other people at the end of their life. Suzanne is a very passionate person who is here to help make the dying process more graceful.  On this Grief Refuge podcast episode, Reid and Suzanne discuss many aspects of “bedside wisdom,” which are the qualities that help caregivers feel more aware, comfortable, and equipped to care for their dying loved ones. The conversation naturally flows from death to grief, helping you to gain more “grief wisdom.” I hope you enjoy the conversation and interview. Suzanne is filled with passion and sometimes just listening to someone like Suzanne is inspirational. If you need more grief support, download the Grief Refuge app for daily companionship, comfort, care, and compassionate suggestions for managing grief (on iOS and Android)