In our most contentious debate episode yet, Dmitry and John get into it over whether French President Macron was wrong in his remarks about the desirability of Europe moving away from a dependence on the US and toward 'Strategic Autonomy', the very different optics of his and Commissioner Ursula von der Leyen simultaneous visits and the implications for Taiwan. We also cover:The recent leaks of US intelligence on DiscordThe first direct talks between Saudi and Houthi representatives in YemenChinese naval exercises in the Taiwan StraitAbout the show:International, Intrigue is the show where two former diplomats (Dmitry Grozoubinski and John Fowler) and the people they know break down the big stories in international news.Sign up to International Intrigue's free daily newsletter to receive the world's news in a format you'll love and at a length you can digest over coffee.