I am extremely pleased to bring you this new conversation with my friend and Great Barrington Declaration colleague Dr. Martin Kulldorff. Martin is an epidemiologist and biostatistician by training and I hold him with the highest respect due to his willingness to challenge unquestionable orthodoxy on all sides of the scientific debate.In this critical conversation we discuss a number of hot topics, most crucially Martin’s firing from Harvard for his opposition to vaccine mandates. He has broken the silence on this tragic issue and we are happy to host his first public conversation on the matter.We also discuss Martin’s firing from the CDC over the J&J vaccine and Harvard’s generally unscientific response to the pandemic. The conversation concludes with a discussion on decentralizing and reforming the scientific community.- Jay BhattacharyaChapters00:00 Introduction and Background14:12 Early Thoughts on the Pandemic30:36 Meeting at the White House48:46 The Great Barrington Declaration52:40 Challenges and Attacks58:25 Assessing the Vaccine Trials01:01:48 The CDC's Pause on the J&J Vaccine01:04:39 The Need for Exemptions and Accommodations01:09:49 Harvard's Vaccine Mandate and Firing01:14:47 Martin's Experience with COVID-1901:18:24 Harvard's Treatment of Martin01:27:06 Assessing Harvard's Response to the Pandemic01:31:17 The Need for Reform in the Scientific Community01:35:46 Bright Spots and Moving ForwardIf you would like to help us fund our podcast expansion to Rumble and YouTube (we intend on hiring a producer when we are financially able!), you may donate to us here. Your support is greatly appreciated:https://donorbox.org/help-fund-independent-journalism-2 This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.illusionconsensus.com/subscribe