In this episode, the hosts discuss the tension between individual humility and organizational pride in the church. They explore how the desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility. They also address the discontentment that some people feel towards the church and the challenge of learning to love the church as it is. The hosts discuss the influence of money and power in the church and express concerns about the commercialization of faith. They emphasize the importance of seeing the church as family and recognizing the larger network of believers.Takeaways- The power of the gospel is revealed in weakness and the paradox of death and victory.- Churches should focus on reflecting Jesus and living in freedom rather than striving for worldly success. Think before you speak and consider the impact of your words.- The desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility.- It is important to learn to love the church as it is, recognizing its strengths and weaknesses.- The influence of money and power in the church can compromise its integrity and mission.- Recognize that the church is part of a larger network of believers and that God is always at work.Chapters00:00 - Introduction16:15 - The Paradox of Jesus' Death and Victory19:25 - The Tension Between Death and Life21:27 - The Glory of the Cross23:49 - The Power of the Gospel in Weakness25:45 - The Temptation of Impressive Churches36:43 - The Fear of Failure in Churches38:12 - The Tension Between Victory and Weakness42:45 - Living in Fear vs. Living in Freedom44:11 - The Tension Between Individual Humility and Organizational Pride48:43 - Learning to Love the Church as It Is53:02 - The Influence of Money and Power in the Church56:17 - The Concerns about the Commercialization of Faith58:13 - The Importance of Seeing the Church as Family01:01:46 - Recognizing the Larger Network of Believers01:06:08 - Staying Rooted in the Work of God