Many emerging therapies like EMDR, IFS, Somatic Experiencing, and Psychedelics target a client’s “Felt Sense” and “Embodied Knowing” rather than intellectual and cognitive insight.  The term “Felt Sense” was coined by philosopher Eugene Gendlin, who developed a peer to peer therapy process called Focusing in the 1950s.  Here we present a conversation with Focusing expert Annette Dubreuil on the history, allure, and methodology of this internal psychotherapeutic process. Annette describes her personal connection to Focusing, her experiences as a long-time Focusing facilitator, and her specific teaching process, the Pupa process.  She also describes Gendlin’s Thinking at the Edge method for creativity, and how we can combine knowledge from different fields to enhance creativity and meaning.  Stick around till the end to learn the meaning of life according to Annette Dubreuil and consider whether Focusing may be right for you.Timestamps3:15 - Definition of the “felt sense”9:30 - Annette introduces Focusing14:00 - Annette’s discovery of Focusing17:30 - Combining Polyvagal Theory and Focusing 23:10 - Giving credit to Eugene Gendlin 24:32 - Crossing therapy processes and modalities (“Thinking at the Edge”)26:59 - Combining the 8 C’s of IFS and Focusing 30:10 - Focusing and Heart Energy 32:07 - Annette’s transition from Focusing client to collaborator 35:00 - How empathy factors into Focusing38:00 - Tanya Singer’s meditative monks42:00 - Catastrophic thinking46:27 - Annette’s background 49:20 - Victor Frankl’s 4 Components of Finding Meaning54:36 - “Meaning issue” in Annette’s clients56:40 - Conversation about Dirk and Annette’s shared experience 59:30 - Psychedelics and Focusing 1:01:30 - Annette’s personal focusing practice1:05:00 - Focusing prompts1:06:47 - Rapid Fire questions and wind downProduced by Dirk Winter and Violet ChernoffTheme music by The Thrashing Skumz