In this podcast episode, the hosts delve into the intrinsic meaning and value found in mathematics. They discuss the existential aspect of math, emphasizing the importance of understanding the underlying significance of mathematical concepts rather than merely memorizing steps. The hosts explore the history of mathematicians and the joy of connecting with their journeys, appreciating the permanence of mathematical truths. They highlight the uniqueness of individual engagement with math, emphasizing ontology and the diverse perspectives each person brings. The episode concludes with a reflection on mathematics as both an art and a science, describing it as the science of patterns and the art of engaging their meaning.