In this episode we talk about JK’s son Niko becoming an All White, the challenges of being an outspoken TV pundit with SKY TV in a rugby landscape where everyone knows everyone, why he left school at 15 and the lessons he learned from his dad, his experiences rooming with Jonah Lomu and how he met his wife when she didn’t speak a word of English. In the second half of this episode we follow JK’s mental health journey. A warning, there is chat of suicide and difficult themes, alongside some really powerful, important messagesShow notes | Episode 59 | Sir John Kirwan |***Disclaimer***This episode deals with issues of anxiety, depression, and suicide. If you or anyone you know is struggling with these sorts of issues, Lifeline Aotearoa’s helpline and textline provides 24/7, confidential support from qualified counsellors and trained volunteers. Text ‘Help’ to 4357 or call 0800 LIFELINE (0800 543 354).2.04 A big week for JK with his son Niko getting the call up to the All Whites5.53 “Why I Am” a book bought by Seamus for a friend11.10 JK and his kids: Francesca, Niko, Luca19.02 Critiquing former teammates, strong opinions, conflict and confrontation29.28 Lessons from a dad: The making of JK37.45 Are you willing to pay the price?47.01 Turning into the world’s best51.36 Old school v new school57.02 The mental health journey1.05.55 Speaking publicly about mental health1.11.22 Other New Zealand voices in mental health1.13.55 Normalising the mental health conversation1.20.30 Crying, anger, and alcohol1.28.18 Reflecting on the Cavaliers tour of 19861.32.31 Speaking Italian1.34.16 From mate to bro: JK on Jonah Lomu1.37.13 Rugby League and the Warriors1.39.27 Last words from Steven, Seamus and JKSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.