"Well, I think if it's 'closer to the surface' as you so beautifully put it, it's usually that you see it through their personality a lot more. It's just not just their actions or the products that they create, but they somehow are sort of glowing with it, in a sense. And you usually see that when they essentially embody specific traits that we know to be very important for creativity. And one is a sort of openness to new experiences that is one of the most consistent findings of creativity research that people across the board, whether you're looking at artists or scientists who've reached some level of creative eminence, they're all marked by a specific kind of openness to new experience. Very deeply curious and game for anything, if you want, for what a possibility can tell them, or the level which you can take them to next. So they are open to it, and excited by it.And the second thing is that they exude a certain kind of confidence. Creative confidence is something that really can't be taught. And you can tell people 'you should be more confident,'' but it's something that they have to...that can be cultivated by the person themselves. But usually what you see is this enormous confidence. Sometimes they'll say it with these sort of destiny kind of words. Like 'I was put here for this reason. I know that I have a purpose in life and that is...' And that stems from a sort of profound confidence about what they have to offer the world and what lies within them. And so I would say those two features are perhaps the things that those sorts of people embody."Anna Abraham, Ph.D. is the E. Paul Torrance Professor and Director of the Torrance Center for Creativity and Talent Development at the University of Georgia (USA). She investigates the psychological and neurophysiological mechanisms underlying creativity and other aspects of the human imagination, including the reality-fiction distinction, mental time travel, social and self-referential cognition, and mental state reasoning. She is the author of the 2018 book, The Neuroscience of Creativity (Cambridge University Press) and the editor of the multidisciplinary volume, The Cambridge Handbook of the Imagination (2020).www.anna-abraham.com https://coe.uga.edu/directory/torrance-center www.cambridge.org/core/what-we-publish/elements/elements-in-creativity-and-imaginationwww.creativeprocess.info www.oneplanetpodcast.org IG www.instagram.com/creativeprocesspodcast