Both Craig and Cecil are religious seperationists, meaning religion shoud have no role in government, Here they discuss several topics and cover some groundwork on the subject.    Craig directed the Midwest Immigrant Rights Center for six years, the pro bono program that later  became the National Immigrant Justice Center:  https://immigrantjustice.org/ .   If you would like more information on Craig's work at MIRC, check out his digital story at:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VTkjhzIcI