It was a great pleasure to be joined by Patrick Holden for a conversation exploring the challenges and paths to creating food and farming systems that work in closer harmony with nature.Patrick is the founder and CEO of 'The Sustainable Food Trust' and he has a great range of insights to offer around this topic.We discuss what our diets would need to look like if we were to achieve a transition to sustainable and regenerative farming across the whole of the UK, along with the problem of dishonest pricing within our food system.We also touch on why Patrick is optimistic that change is possible due to a trend of more and more people taking an interest in the story of their food.Learn more about The Sustainable Food Trust here: https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/See the video version of this episode along with additional references mentioned here: https://www.wearecarbon.earth/patrick-holden-sustainable-food-trust----------------------More Formats from We Are Carbon: [Shorter Video Format] - From Healthy Soil Comes Healthy Food. With Claire Mackenzie: https://www.wearecarbon.earth/soil-health-and-regenerative-farming/[Story Telling Audio Format] - Soil (My Common Sense Take) : https://www.wearecarbon.earth/soil-path-to-whole-systems-thinking/Explore ways to support this content: https://www.wearecarbon.earth/your-support/----------------------For a further breakdown of this discussion see the timestamps below:00:00 Intro02:20 About Patrick03:27 Why is cheap food not really so cheap??11:50 True Cost Accounting15:16 The impact of food production on our energy & vitality22:55 Would we have enough food if all farming became regenerative?26:06 What does a sustainable diet look like?34:46 Multiple Approaches of The Sustainable Food Trust 44:59 What steps can a farmer take if they'd like to transition?48:07 Do you feel we're on track to move things forward?