Welcome to season 2, episode 10 of Modern Money Doughnuts (MMD), hosted by Steven Hail and Gabrielle Bond. MMD is an international show about modern monetary theory and ecological economics. This week, Steven and Gabie talk to Con Michalakis. Con is the Chief Investment Officer for Statewide Superannuation, South Australia's biggest retirement pension fund. He is also the Chair of Modern Money Lab. We will ask Con about how he came to understand MMT, and about his role in launching our suite of postgraduate courses with Torrens University. (All episodes of Modern Money Donuts can be found on this page by Modern Money Labs.) Here's the video from which this audio comes from. (The audio is unedited.) MMD is hosted by Kerberos Media, and the audio podcast is, for now, hosted by Activist #MMT. So if you'd like to be automatically notified of each new MMD episode, then subscribe to Activist #MMT on your favorite podcast platform.