Welcome to season 2, episode 7 of Modern Money Doughnuts (MMD), hosted by Steven Hail and Gabrielle Bond. MMD is an international show about modern monetary theory and ecological economics. This week, Steven and Gabie talk to Professor Mark Diesendorf. Mark is an expert in renewable energy and how we can plan for a future that is ecologically sustainable and socially just. He has a long-standing interest in ecological economics. We will ask Mark about his upcoming book on planetary boundaries and our energy transition. (All episodes of Modern Money Donuts can be found on this page by Modern Money Labs.) Here's the video from which this audio comes from. (The audio is unedited.) MMD is hosted by Kerberos Media, and the audio podcast is, for now, hosted by Activist #MMT. So if you'd like to be automatically notified of each new MMD episode, then subscribe to Activist #MMT on your favorite podcast platform.