Damo chats with his good friend, Dr Cindy Engel about her book: Another Self - How Your Body Helps You Understand Others. They look at Cindy's experience as a therapist and especially her use of 'somatic empathy' as a tool and how it functions as a part of human awareness. The nature of understanding others through felt-knowing, visual phenomena during therapeutics and the complexities of utilising this in both life and practice are explored.Cindy is a practitioner of the internal arts and a researcher of modern scientific understanding and her work, as well as her latest book seek to bridge these two worlds.