In this episode, we are thrilled to welcome infrastructure industry veteran Robert Hafner. With over 15 years of hands-on experience under his belt, Robert has witnessed infrastructure practices evolve firsthand - from patched together bash scripts to modern declarative approaches.Today, he joins us to offer pragmatic perspectives on infrastructure as code maturity, drawn from his own journey towards increased confidence and reliability over time. Tune in as we plumb the depths of real-world IaC adoption, exploring everything from infrastructure testing practices to state management considerations at scale. This is an episode you won't want to miss!Robert Hafner is a Senior Principal Architect and author of Terraform in Depth. He has been working at the intersection of software and infrastructure since starting his first company in 2005. During that time he witnessed first hand the industry evolution from individual bash scripts to configuration management up to infrastructure as code. He's spent his career working with startups such as Malwarebytes and Rad AI on projects ranging from high availability sites, large data analytics (with 30+ million daily clients), to large scale GPU clustering and machine learning model hosting.