It's always a great time when Kalley Heiligenthal and I get together and after today, you'll surely know why. We speak the same kind of vulnerable, we're not afraid to laugh, and we have a deep respect + love for each other. She's walked with the Lord on a gracious journey and the way she expresses her joys, questions, aches, and the wisdom it's all produced will leave you lifted. We're talking about pastoring, calling others up, and stewarding the call of God period- not only on your life, but on the lives of those you lead. You'll leave today with some great things to mull over and rejuvenated by the tenderness of the Holy Spirit. Raising others up is a holy calling and a conversation worth our having. Join me and one of my favorites for a hang you don't want to miss! As always, press that "subscribe" button up top and leave us a rating if you feel up to itFor more from Rita, follow Rita on Patreon here.Click here to follow her on Instagram, @RitaSpringer.If you're enjoying the show, please rate and review!