Leslie and Stephen Shaw both have a lifelong love affair with the subject of ufology and both consider themselves to be armchair ufologists. They’ve both been UFO witnesses and are authors of 'Who They Are And What They're Up To' and in this episode they tell Ben their theory about Who and What the UFO’s are! OUTLINE: Here’s approximate timestamps for the episode. 00:40 Intro to episode 02:10 Stephen’s and families story 08:15 Why would UFO’s visit us? 09:49 Do UFO’s walk amongst us? Or under? 10:43 Who they are? Evidence? 12:00 Nano diamonds and extinction events 15:26 Underground Cities - and evidence? 19:20 Why stay underground? 21:17 Legends and stories 27:20 UAP Hearing in the US 29:50 Keeping secrets 33:35 We don’t know what we don’t know 37:15 Book Recommendation: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forbidden-Archeology-Hidden-History-Human/dp/0892132949 38:55 Wrap Ups and socials Follow Leslie & Steven Shaw Website: www.whotheyarebook.com Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/leslie.shaw.author Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leslie.shaw.author Buy Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Who-They-Are-What-Theyre/dp/B0BKCQ363C Stay connected with us! Use #Astroben across various social media platforms to engage with us! (NEW - YOUTUBE): www.youtube.com/@astrobenpodcast Website: www.astroben.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/astrobenpodcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Gambleonit LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/astrobenpodcast/