19:55 - Gjon's Tears talks about his 2021 Eurovision near-win
35:00 - Michael Hsu Rosen plays a game putting the people against the powerful
 
We dive into one of the biggest controversies among Eurovision fans: how Eurovision selects its winners. Should they rely on the expertise of industry juries or should we let the people decide? We explore the evolution of Eurovision's constantly evolving selection process, and talk about the different implications of its varying forms.
 
Then we talk to Gjon's Tears, whose song Tout L'universe was a favorite of the juries, but was prevented from winning because of the televote-- eventually placing 3rd overall. We talk about everything from his experience at Eurovision, to his search for identity and belonging through music, to how his 2021 performance helped him overcome his body insecurity.
 
Finally, we chat with Michael Hsu Rosen who performed with the NYC Ballet, before going on to star in several popular Netflix hits (Pretty Smart, Glamorous). He draws on his experience operating in artistic worlds that are ruled alternately by expert and public opinion to explore why certain songs are jury favorites, and why others steal the heart of the people.
 
SONG LINKS
 
Mentioned in Deep Dive
Loreen - Tattoo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3vJfR81xO0
Kaarija - Cha Cha Cha - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJHe-iZ5HSI
 
Gjon's Tears - Tout L'Univers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuimHmJMEFA
 
Mentioned in the Game
 
Keiino - Spirit in the Sky (Norway 2019) - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x799hq2
Zdob si Zdub - Trenuletul (Moldova 2022) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9RJQPZsj8E
Il Volo - Grande Amore (Italy 2015) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TOMqZV2jA8
Destiny - Je Me Casse (Malta 2019) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TdBbLVCAzk
Tamara Todevska - Proud (North Macedonia 2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-NQ1a1zZ0
Konstrakta - In Corpore Sano (Serbia 2022) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odFhYxoXiuo
Teya and Selena - Who the Hell is Edgar? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JEJe85Xmnk)